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I'm not sure what I'm going to even say here in this thread but I thought I'd take a whack at it.
I've never been good at big impersonal debates (and I don't usually enjoy them at all). I'd rather things be more personal or maybe I just personalize things way too much. Anyways..
But I thought I'd post what I think and then I realized I don't always know what I think about it. I kinda go back and forth.
Sometimes I'm like a lot of you and think well why should a marriage be defined as it is? Isn't it weird that marriage is defined as man and woman (no, of course it isn't weird.. maybe only to us...) And why is it that things are the way they are.
Well we already know those answers too. Those with power get to define reality for the rest of us. And they do that with codified law.
We know it is a religious issue. It is Symbolic Interactionism. As people we attach symbols to a lot of things and then we attach meanings to these symbols.
Marriage to a lot of people is a Holy Union. I read somewhere on some debate where someone was saying that now a days people probably don't get married for religious reasons, but for economic ones.
That might be true, but it doesn't look to be true where I live. I live in East KY where probably 90% of the people consider themselves christian and to them marriage is a holy/spiritual thing.
I also think back to my sister's wedding and how I was watching how everyone responded to it. It was a special event for so many people. And it was a spiritual thing for them.
So this is a big issue for a lot of people. I don't really know how gay marriage threatens traditional marriage but apparentely a lot of people think it does. (I guess because it has been defined as such by so many).
Also there are gay people who say the same thing Nick did. They might be called Log Cabin Republicans. They are a group of gay conservatives. :-)
I saw a Log Cabin guy on tv the other night debating this very issue, and he did take a conservative stance.
I have a lot of respect for religious gay people, because I am one. And I think its hard and confusing and frustrating and sometimes feels like an idealogical tug of war within yourself.
To me its like you don't feel so christian when you're being very gay and you don't feel so gay when you're being very christian. (that sounds weird, but I think its a very good statement that pretty much sums it right up).
Another thing I find interesting is how some times we think of being gay as a label and other times we don't mind identifying ourselves with the label. Sometimes we want to be a part of a gay subculture and other times not. It is an interesting thing to note, because I see it happening all the time. Its like a contest between is this really a good thing or isn't it. Or how much of it is a good thing is probably a better observation (this seems to me to call to our Social Self and our Ontology).
But like going back and forth on the gay marriage thing is also A OK, because we're not clockwork oranges. Things aren't black and white but gray all over.
And in any Social Science discipline we realize that there is a difference is what really is and what ought to be. Probably we should have the same rights as hetero people and things should be equal (this is way it outta be) but its just not that way or that simple (and thats the way it just is).
Thats just kinda how I think about all this stuff. To me it doesn't really matter which way it goes. But it is interesting to me to read people's opinions on it or watch tv debates and all these interesting social things.
But having said that I'm glad that there are those activists who want Gay Marriage and are arguing a good cause and taking a good role in aiming for changes But on the other hand I'm glad for those Log Cabin Republicans because I see where they are coming from too and their way of doing things might be a smarter move. Change happens slowly and it seems to happen when a lot of people are ready for that change to take place.
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