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lol, no, I don't mean to compare the actions of Count Almsy to Rick, rather, I thought the desert style and WWII setting of the movies were similar, as well as the idea that love breaks barriers.
And I know he was accussed as one, but I didn't think he was technically a Nazi spy, I remember he considered himself of no nationality, as a "bastard of the desert". I don't think he ever knew what was going on with the war, he barely even cared that it was breaking out (which was horrible, in my opinion and his major flaw was no considering the plight of others) I know he did assist the Nazis, though, when he handed over the maps in trade to get the plane back so he could return to the cave and bury Kathryn's body. (which helped the Nazis gain ground in Africa). His ambivulance was rephrehsible, certainly, but it was also in character. He isn't a Rick by any means and certainly came down on the wrong side of that one. But I also think his character was suppose to be a bit off, a bit insane and obbessed.
What I took from the English Patient was that one can paint lines on a map, but it is never that cut and dry. People fight and die because somebody wants to move a line on a map, but its so much more personal than that. thousands of people died, but it was just different people. It made war more personal, and showed how silly nationalism can be at times. (like when he said "Why is it where one comes from suddenly becomes so important during a war. (speaking of how Hannah was so quick to take Caravaggio in because he was from Canada) If you say a stranger in the street back at Montreal, did you invite them to live with you?" ) I thought it articulated a lot of gret things are ownership and obbession with owning things. It does share this notion with Casablanca, that one does not choose love, but it chooses them despite circumstance, time, place, war, etc. But the difference is in what the character does about love.
I don't think Almsy is suppose to be a hero, but an anti-hero. But while his actions had serious repercussions, I don't think he realized the gravity of them. I don't think he was actively taking sides with the Nazis. He was just obbessed with Kathryn, and fell into that same obbession of ownership he hated so much in other people (he was great at pointing out the flaws with others and the world, but would fall victim to the same thing he hated) He started to feel as if he owned her, that she was his wife, he even started claiming parts of her body and naming them after him like she was a map. And that was his major flaw, he became obbessed. But, when Caravaggio accussed him of being a Nazi spy in the end and said that Madox shot himself because of that fact, and accussed him of killing the Cliftons, the Count said "a nazi spy? no...no..." But then, (this is his one heroic quality, tragically occuring wayyyyy too late) he realizes what he caused, what he fell into, what his obbession resulted in...all the lives he harmed. Then he said "yes...yes, maybe I did kill them after all.." And he tells them what happened, he finally realizes his flaw.
Now, Casablanca is a whole different bag, and I compare the two not in plot so much, but in feel and atmosphere. Casablanca is about personal sacrafice and doing the right thing, becoming involved in something bigger than yourself, etc. Rick is an example of the Count if he would have done the right thing, in my opinion. Certianly, his failure to see the seriousness of the war is a problem, but sadly, it is a rather common flaw among a lot of humans.
I dont mean to trivialize the Holocaust by any means, I do think it deserves serious treatment in film, but this was more about the war front in the desert, there wasn't any scenes in Europe at all. And I think the film translates well into today, from current wars and peoples treatments of them to how people treat the Holocaust (and some even say it never existed in the first place
) People do forget wayyy too fast.
But, I do understand your stance, Perceval, my Dad dislikes the movie for the same reasoning.
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