I thought the dog pic Bart posted was funny. I laughed so hard at that. Its just a bit gross if you are eating. lol

But I like poop and I like watching animals defecate. I use to have so much fun when I was younger with getting sticks and going through my pet's feces to make sure they didn't have worms. If I found worms, we promptly got worm medicine!

Anyways...

As this thread shows, there are a lot of fans that like both Jean and Rachel. There are also fans who like Jean and dislike Rachel. There are also Rachel fans who dislike Jean.

It really goes both ways. Just like there are Jean fans who dislike Rachel there are also Rachel fans that dislike Jean. There are some fans on CBR and comixfan that love Rachel and can't stand Jean.

I try not to bash Rachel too much though I know that it seems like I do a lot. I just don't like the concept of her so I mostly criticize the concept and the use of Jean's iconic imagery.

When I was first introduced to the comics Jean was in the Gold Team and Rachel was in Excalibur. We actually liked Rachel at first too. She seemed so cool. I liked her, Meggan, and Moira. But then I found out that she was Jean's alternate reality time lost daughter. And then I found out that she was not the original Phoenix and that Jean's history had been retconned. As I explored Rachel's and Jean's history I began to like Rachel less and less.

Rachel is too similar to Jean to hate her because of her qualities-- well except for her new personality since Reload. And she does have some things of her own like being a Hound, DOFP future, Mother Askani, etc. I guess she feels displaced because she is.

If she wasn't used as a Jean replacement, I wouldn't have much problems with her. I don't care too much for Rachel but I've liked some stories with her in the past. Like I said before its not like she has never been interesting.

I just don't like her using Jean's iconic imagery, being used as a Jean replacement, or being used to retcon Jean's stories.

And I'm just not a big fan of future adult children showing up. I think they could have done without Maddie and Rachel.

Jean fans love Jean a lot and Rachel fans love Rachel very much. We obviously find a lot of meaning with these characters. Many fans probably like both. Its no wonder that fans of these characters are also very passionate and tempermental.

I guess we can agree to disagree and try not to fight as much.