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FE, yer hittin' all the milestones today, congrats on turning the 100th post on this thread, eh?
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I'm in love with the little red-headed girl!
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Lady Mastermind would not help Emma break free so that Emma could beat her down to the ground. It wasn't Lady Mastermind impersonating Jean or Maddie. I
too would say it's clearly Jean. And Jean has appeared before. When the Greys died, she appeared in White Phoenix mode as they were being taken into the
afterlife. Rachel saw her.
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Ray did? that i dodnt know
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i read that as just the artists way of paying tribute to jean grey in that issue. i dont think rachel actually saw her image in the sky.
although, who knows? i was just reading the wiki page for end of greys and it mentions rachel witnessing her relatives spririts. bleh, that was just a terrible story in my opinion.
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Rachel clearly saw her grandparents. Her grandfather even signals her peace, as she looks at him. And then Jean appeared. She was looking at Rachel, and Rachel
looked at her direction. That was clearly meant to show Jean as Phoenix in the white hot room.
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OK, I'm just gonna start commenting on some of the things that have been posted so far, beginning with page 1.
First, White Nightwing, much thanx for posting the scans you acquired. I love the two bottom panels of each page, where we actually get to see Jean's blurry but still blindingly beautiful face. The following two lines were also favorites, and SO "Jean": "Emma. Are you familiar with the phrase "visions come to prepared spirits"?" & "Well then, little spirit. Prepare." Could of done without Em's "... maid w/the common breeding" remark tho, way too cheesy and eye-roll inducing for me. Did anyone notice the subtext in Jean's dialogue? Specifically, the "... let me fix you" and "... little spirit", is it me or is Jeannie displaying a sly, condescending wit? I like to think so, and if true, good for her! I'm dying to find out what the "vision" that Jean granted Emma is. Was it the prophecy of Jean's inevitable return? Whatever it was, could it be the catalyst that leads Em into forming the "Dark"(< speaking of cheesy, lol) X-Men? This is a VERY interesting lil' plot thread that I can't wait to see unravel. Gotta admit, I do like Jean and Emma's hateful, competitive, yet begrudgingly respectful chemistry. Their rivalry is just so much fun! And I'm a bad lil' Phoenix fan, for I have not bought any copies of Uncanny #510 yet. With that said, was there anything more? What did Emma do immediately after witnessing the "vision"? Ersatz, Havok83, and John C Loves Phoenix, your combined enthusiasm is contagious! Thank you. Long Live Jean Grey, your pessimism is not, also thankfully. Welcome Idontwannafixit, nice to make your aquaintence. Regarding Hope, I don't think she's Jean reincarnated, and never really have. I do believe though, that without a doubt, she's somehow connected to both Jean and the Phoenix. I also believe she's going to be playing a part in Jean's return, which'll most likely happen with the culmination of this Messiah arc... and that can't come soon enough. I mean, my God Fraction, stop milkin' it already! I'm kinda in tune with Kestra on this, the Messiah brat and all the other Jean-lites are probably just fragments or pieces of the real deal... at least that's what I hope they turn out to be. And Kestra, I absolutely love LOST also, and so does JCLP, as you can probably tell, lol. It's my second greatest pop culture obsession, right after Jean & the X-Men. Although that other recent J.J. Abrams brainchild, namely the Star Trek reboot, has caused my once mild interest in that franchise to explode into full-blown devotion. That is why I've been suggesting everywhere and anywhere, in the hopes of implementing subliminal messaging, that J.J. Abrams be allowed to do an X-Men film redux. I'm trying to start a movement, lol. Perdid1, I totally agree with everything you expressed. I'm just so happy that after all this time, we Jean Grey/Phoenix fans have been vindicated, by Marvel themselves no less. Fansx123, congratulations on your 100th post! About the lock of Jean's hair Logan kept, I'm with most everybody else on this, Mad Maddie needed it to create a new body for herself. Not being an aficionado on Madelyne Pryor myself, I do have a question though. In any of her former appearances, was she ever able to manifest the Phoenix and its powers the way Jean can? If not, then that might change my thoughts as to the identity of Uncanny #511's cover girl. Thunderbird, I must say, you keep the faith alive like no other. You are the paradigm of a JG/P fan, and have become increasingly persuasive with your theories. One minor thing, Maddie can't get a genetic sample from her own original body, 'cause it was cremated as I understand it. I'm sure others more in-the-know have already pointed this out. Still, you raise many valid points as evidence, so I'm unsure at this point and feel as Yeswad does... that maybe Jean really is coming back this month. BTW T-bird, what's the release date for that Phoenix Rising trade again? FE, about Maddie saying there were only two bodies that could ever contain her essence, what is the exact quote? I think she said one had been destroyed, which I took to mean her own original body that had been cremated. Did she ever reference the other body and it's current status, or did she say something along the lines of it being unavailable? Hello Vali, you should post more often if ya get the chance. WN(cool name BTW, he's one of my few faves from the DCU), I concur that Jean's return should likely be much more of an event. As convincing as T-bird is, I'm still very suspicious, most cautious, and extremely wary of #511's outcome. Once bitten, twice shy would be a vast understatement. Well, I made it thru to the end of page 5, 6-current will be in a follow-up post. I wanna see what else there is to respond to here on the JG/P MB. |
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<<It firmly established her as THE prime host and her entire being as its one true home, which makes perfect sense, right FE?
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Thank ya, CM!
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Phoenix76xxx wrote:Ok, so I feel like this has grown to the point that I just wanted to state kinda where I was coming from on this. First off, other people had been host to the Phoenix in the past even if for just a limited time. If someone see's one thing in an illustration, I'm not going to say that they are wrong regardless of my feelings. If I can see why they would think that, I'll say something like "I can see where you are coming from with that" or "that's interesting based on what we have seen in other pseudo-recent stories". I have been reading Jean's saga for as long as I can remember and recognize that her power signature can take various shapes depending on use. I clearly (and fondly) remember the Black Queens talons pinning Jason Wyngarde to the wall above the Hellfire Club. I also remember in Endsong Jean telling the Phoenix to get out of Emma's body. I remember reading Warsong where parts of the Phoenix were in the Cuckoos diamond hearts. With all that said, my post later went on to say that more than anything I was just excited to see the cameo and was hopeful at what it could all mean. In fact I later went on to say... BUT, getting that philosophical interpretation out of the way, I will say that this is totally hot and I can't express enough how happy I am to see Jean smiling on the glossy pages with the flaming raptor pokin' it's head out. I love it even more that isn't some sort of flashback. I would have thought this board would be more open to this type of dialog. I apologize if I have offended anyone. |
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I think we might be over thinking this just a tad. There are other possibilities worth exploring, but none of them make as much sense. Again I don't
think Jean will be in the next issue, but to me, there is no way of denying that Jean appeared in 510. I actually can't wait for the next issue. I would
love to see Emma's explanation or lack there of if Jean is mentioned
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PSINGRAPHD wrote:Maddie never displayed or even had the powers of the Phoenix, she just had telepathy, telekinesis, and Goblyn powers but the Phoenix did give her life force and it went back inside Jean after Maddie died. The Phoenix occasionally made Jean believe she was Maddie as well as the Phoenix before she had Scott shoot it out at a Celestial. If Red Queen becomes Phoenix, the X-Men are toast. The only reason why they were able to beat Jean as Phoenix was because she was holding the Phoenix back. That's also the reason Green Phoenix is not overpowered. Red Queen would not hold back and the X-Men have very little chance to defeat an entity that powerful, who can simply drop the whole moon on San Francisco in the same way Necrom attacked Rachel with moons in Excalibur. By the way, the release date for the X-Men: Phoenix Rising is June 10th, the same day Uncanny X-Men 511 comes out. EDIT: Thanks for the commentary PSINGRAPHD
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What a bunch of interesting and thoughtful posts, it's great that this topic has inspired so much enthusiasm. People have advanced a bunch of
conjectures so I thought I'd share another one. It's from Comic Book Resources http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=column&id=20 Hannibal Tabu's review of Incredible Hercules #129. Incredible Herc isn't really part of regular X-Men
continuity, but here's yet another off-the-wall theory about Madelyne ....
Cool theory, but I guess it would imply that Jean has broken the house bank
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fuuin ekusu wrote:"Well then, little spirit. Prepare!" 'Cause tonight, I will finally reveal our long-kept secret knowledge to our fellow Phoenix Collective members. I can't guarantee on how detailed I'll get right away, but I at least wanna get the idea thrown out there and the thread started. I've procrastinated long enough! This is done to honor your 500th post achievement AND for nailing the 100th entry in this thread, as C-man pointed out. I wanted to do something to recognize your dedication to the cause. Plus, you've been such a good sport in keeping mum about the the theory we mutually stumbled upon. I'm not sure I could've ever mustered the willpower. So here's to you Fuuin Ekusu, may you continue to enjoy life, bringing happiness to yourself and all those you come into contact with! |
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fuuin ekusu wrote:So Cyclops is somehow responsible for her not being able to obtain the second body? WTF does that mean?! Now I'm really confused, dammit! Could she be referring to the events of Endsong, and blaming Scott for them? OMG, she better not be talking about Hope, the friggin' Messiah brat! 'Cause it was him that sent her to the future and out of her reach, right? Maddie startin' to irritate me, and I don't even know her, lol. She better get her s**t together, and pronto!!! |
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Phoenix76xxx wrote:Gosh P76, I hope this isn't in response to my post just before yours. I welcome different perspectives and I certainly wasn't offended by anything you or LLJG expressed. So no apologies are necessary, and while I don't speak for everyone on here, I'm sure they all(or most) would agree. I acknowledged your excitement with: "Phoenix76xxx and DarkPhoenix2003, so glad you joined the rally, every member of the Collective should be rejoicing as you are, in the wake of this monumentous occasion." I did go on to say that I disagreed with your assertation that: "I thought the whole concept of the Phoenix force jumping from Emma to the cuckoos was really pretty silly in endsong..." And followed that with my opposing position to LLJG's comment of: "I still get this sinking feeling that they are about to give Emma the Phoenix..." I didn't think anything I responded with was disrespectful, and that certainly was not my intention. This is what I said: "P76, I do disagree with you however on the revelation from Endsong, etc. of the Phoenix being able to host-jump into other bodies. I thought it proved once and for all that Jean, and ONLY Jean, can withstand the pressures of housing the Phoenix. It firmly established her as THE prime host and her entire being as its one true home, which makes perfect sense, right FE? In closing, if intolerance is the impression you got from my remarks, then I'm the one who's sorry. I honestly thought I was just stating a simple difference in opinion. I hope we're good! |
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mrsmith247 wrote:Agreed! Just the way they stylized her dialogue lettering is more proof. It's the same way they did it in Endsong, and similar to how it's been done whenever Jean/Phoenix speaks. Her word balloons have always been specialized. I believe even the Ultimate titles do this. |
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The Thunderbird wrote:Hmmm, this makes me wonder how a newly cloned body would gain Maddie access to the Phoenix abilities then. So maybe it really is Jean! Although, it's not like there's an actual raptor being formed out of those flames, but still. June 10th it is, thank you, and you're welcome. |
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Ersatz, it's too late and I'm too tired to respond to your post properly. But I will, ASAP! It's an interesting find. Peace everybody.
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PSINGRAPHD wrote: Does it matter that I opened my present early? I peeked in on the thread before I came here. I couldn't resist! Anyways, you are sweet, and thank ya so much! ^___^ |
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I think I might have an inkling of what she meant, now, PG. It just kinda popped into my head, lol. Maddie might have meant that she had hoped that Scott and
the X-men would attack her and her allies at their base all the while she snuck into the mansion and stole the piece of Jean's hair right out from under
their noses. But, when Scott didn't do that she had to formulate another plan of attack. (Geez, I didn't think of that until after the fact....
Yikes. I'm losing it....)
When I was reading another post another possibility popped into my head. What if one of the pieces of the Phoenix is the one that made Maddie become the Red Queen, therefore she is the Red Queen while also being Maddie in the fashion I mentioned earlier? One of the pieces of the Phoenix Force could do that. And I would think the Phoenix pieces would be quite mad after being separated from their host. This would mean that separation of the Phoenix Force, bodily, from Madelyne wouldn't necessarily kill her. I know not many people do like her but I am an undisputed fan of hers. ^^; |
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