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perdid wrote:We really are at a turning point now... Jean have been "dead for nearly 10 years, a new generation of readers came in who never read Jean in continuity...reading different posts on other forums, there is a lot of negativity about Jean, nearly hate, actually I feel that jean and her fans are now bullied....People like Quesada and brevoort have been really dismissive and aggressive to jean fans and doing so they made most readers think that Jean is so uncool.... and now they have started to completely robe Jean of what she was...They started to completely deconstruct her heritage.AVSX have completely ignored most of the continuity and jean history, even more it erased it, Brevoort have aggressively responded to questions about jean involvement in AVX by saying she is "DEAD" why don't you bloody get it? They are completely ignoring Endsong and all the hints of the last few years, in Endsong Jean clearly access the white hot room to collect all her fragments..., but after that the sisterhood horrible storyline reconned that Jean body was still in her grave and now AVX cement that by virtually saying Jean was just one host of the phoenix, one between many(recently adding FUNGHI or whatever her name is to that long list).Jean is not special anymore, she is not the white phoenix, the crown, she is just another red head(because now the phoenix seem to have a particular taste for red head) a pathetic host who couldn't control the phoenix and had to kill herself to stop it...And that didn't even work...Forgotten all the time when Jean saved the universe using the power, forgotten all the time she was perfectly in control, forgotten "we are one", forgotten her very intimate connection with the force...what is left is a pathetic host who couldn't control the phoenix and died... For the phoenix to go another red head...AVX show no understanding at all of the Phoenix force...It's like the writers never read anything about the phoenix, it's so bad it's beyond belief....they are pretending that all storyline since M day are leading that that!!!so they had years to prepare, make sure everything make sense, and we getting that???there is no excuses for bad writing!!!And now to have Brevoort getting angry because fans demand for continuity to be respected is just hypocritical.... they have no sense of continuity, it's just really bad, bad writing, you cannot choose and pick, they don't own the x-men, they just hold the right to write them now....they have to respect the rich tapestry that make the x-men what they are... if they don't it's just fan fiction and a really bad one...AVX read like a big promo for the Avengers movie, no X-men continuity or characters are respected here, they went out of their way to disminish Jean to a background character dead for years....after all the hints and "keep an eye on the little girl with red hair" once again we have been taken for fools... and we are bullied because we dare asking and wondering about Jean in this events???? they dragged us along for years, taking our money, because we had "hope " that that was the big story leading to Jean return... instead of that, that AVX event is the final assassination of Jean Grey, the obliteration of her history... and that is much worse than death in comics....I really hope no Jean's fan will carry on buying AVX...."LET'S BOYCOTT THAT EVENT"... Can you resist buying it????
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perdid wrote: We really are at a turning point now... Jean have been "dead for nearly 10 years, a new generation of readers came in who never read Jean in continuity...reading different posts on other forums, there is a lot of negativity about Jean, nearly hate, actually I feel that jean and her fans are now bullied.... People like Quesada and brevoort have been really dismissive and aggressive to jean fans and doing so they made most readers think that Jean is so uncool.... and now they have started to completely robe Jean of what she was...They started to completely deconstruct her heritage. Jean is not special anymore, she is not the white phoenix, the crown, she is just another red head(because now the phoenix seem to have a particular taste for red head) a pathetic host who couldn't control the phoenix and had to kill herself to stop it...And that didn't even work...Forgotten all the time when Jean saved the universe using the power, forgotten all the time she was perfectly in control, forgotten "we are one", forgotten her very intimate connection with the force...what is left is a pathetic host who couldn't control the phoenix and died... For the phoenix to go another red head... AVX show no understanding at all of the Phoenix force...It's like the writers never read anything about the phoenix, it's so bad it's beyond belief....they are pretending that all storyline since M day are leading that that!!!so they had years to prepare, make sure everything make sense, and we getting that???there is no excuses for bad writing!!! And now to have Brevoort getting angry because fans demand for continuity to be respected is just hypocritical.... they have no sense of continuity, it's just really bad, bad writing, you cannot choose and pick, they don't own the x-men, they just hold the right to write them now....they have to respect the rich tapestry that make the x-men what they are... if they don't it's just fan fiction and a really bad one... AVX read like a big promo for the Avengers movie, no X-men continuity or characters are respected here, they went out of their way to disminish Jean to a background character dead for years....after all the hints and "keep an eye on the little girl with red hair" once again we have been taken for fools... and we are bullied because we dare asking and wondering about Jean in this events???? they dragged us along for years, taking our money, because we had "hope " that that was the big story leading to Jean return... instead of that, that AVX event is the final assassination of Jean Grey, the obliteration of her history... and that is much worse than death in comics.... I really hope no Jean's fan will carry on buying AVX...."LET'S BOYCOTT THAT EVENT"... Can you resist buying it????
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perdid wrote:Asked about Jean in endsong Brevoort replied: "Because I don't take that as a statement of objective fact. Your reading of PHOENIX: ENGSONG is very different from mine; as far as I can tell, the Jean in that was, in essence, a zombie shell inhabited by the Phoenix Force. And while there's certainly some aspect of Jean still within that forcfe, that's not quite the same thing as being actually alive in a conventional sense."http://www.formspring.me/TomBrevoortSo from what Brevoort said on his formspring, since jean died from the fake magneto, all her other appearances were never her but the phoenix force with some imprint of jean personnality.... There is no raisonning with this guy... we actually read comics in a very different way, it was never an possibility that it was just the force in Endsong, nowhere was it said that it could be just the phoenix force.... if It's just the force in Endsong then it doesn't make sense or doesn't have any emotional impact... to me it was jean trying to re-assess control over the phoenix which is a part of her.... to brevoort it just the force arguing with itself while inside jean corpse!!!!GOD AS LONG AS THOSE PEOPLE ARE IN PLACE THERE IS REALLY NO HOPE...if you read Brevoort replies on his formspring the guy really doesn't make sense at all....
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@The Thunderbird: Hmm... But who do you consider that was the one who got into the crystal in the Phoenix Saga? I think it was Jean, therefore I don't think whatever we say about her is over-inflating her importance in the MU.
But anyway, personally, I'd prefer her to be brought back in a small, intimate story (possibly non-phoenix related - but I guess it would be more than too much to ask), instead of a mega-event.
What I think is making so many fans upset is the fact that Marvel has admitted they will bring Jean back in a big story (for instance, they didn't let her come back through Age of X because it wasn't big enough). And now we're having a big story, involving the Phoenix, and she isn't part of it. Despite my personal preference, I absolutely understand the disappointment.
@Macsimus: you're right about the what's happening with this questions/answers issue.Brevoort mocks Jean and says absurd things. Fans can't take those answers seriously and get upset. The tone of the questions get more aggressive and his willingness to be respectful shrinks.
But the simple fact is that we cannot change his attitude. We can only change ours.
Believe me: I take continuity VERY seriously so I do get upset with what they're doing. But again: it doesn't matter what I do, I cannot change the direction they're going. I can only choose to focus my energy into something productive, intead of letting it feed my frustration.
And it does make me feel good, you know? That's why I'm writing all those messages here lately: I understand what everyone here is feeling and I don't want any of you to feel so bad about people who so clearly don't deserve it.
As for death... Oh, I wish it was possible to make it work the way you suggested. I hate characters coming back to life. Believe me: I do. If it was up to me, Jean would have never died. That being said, think about how many ways one can be ressurected in the MU... How can you undo all those ways and preserve continuity?
See? I told you I take continuity very seriously. I take it so seriously I can even accept (although I'd definitely prefer it to be different) that characters die and live again...
@Phoenixx9: Hi!
You know? Your post has given me an idea. I'll let things calm down a bit here, then I'll be posting it soon.
I have to confess though you put my mind thinking about Jean's alien dates! Since for you she's having her cosmic adventures, I'm assuming they're alien 'men'... Oh my! So many possibilities!
@Arkham House: Do you remember when the editors actually asked for the fans to write to them? Well... I don't really remember it, but I've read letter's pages of older mags. It seems like something coming from a fantasy world!
Then we see interviews with Stan Lee saying that on an even earlier decade he'd replace the 'dear editor' for 'hey Stan' in the letters, so the fans would feel like they were part of the group. Soon enough, the fans started writing 'Hey Stan' by themselves because they felt welcomed.
Stan was a clown (and being a clown myself, I say that with my deepest admiration and respect - you know how much I love him) and he'd reply to them with humour, many times he'd even make fun of something that a fan had written. But he was never, ever rude.
Back then, they praised their fans. They tried to please them. They tried to make their lives lighter and more fun and exciting. And, if they did their jobs right, money would come as consequence.
Today those guys just keep taking advantage of what was built over a foundation of good stories and respect for the fans (continuity, in my opinion, being one of the forms of respect). Man... this is the same publisher we're talking about! Unbelievable, isn't it?
About the cult: I suppose you're the Pope, considering how long you've been reading those stories. So I'll address you as your eminence from now on!
Changing subjects: No, no, no... The sanest answer can't EVER be mine!
Also, reviving Jean means changing this excuse of a concept the X-Men have become. The truth is that they are in love with it. They won't change it. They don't want to change it. Why should they? It reflects the world we live in... God forbids anyone to dare to dream, right? So let's keep the dream dead. Let's keep the heart of the X-Men dead.
But you know what? No! Let's not. I'm a John Lennon fan. "You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one". I refuse to accept a world where 'Imagine' is just an old song. So I do my part. So here I am... writing and writing...
As for thanking me... Are you a masochist, sir? I've been giving you such a hard time lately! Seriously: despite all my annoying comments, it's been a pleasure. I can only hope people will want to read it (lately I have the impression most people have a pre-lazyness about big texts and they don't even give it a try).
@The Greatest Username: I'm keeping the flame alive as well as I can, Supreme Leader.
Hail to the RED!
@Perdid: I'm sending you a psychic hug as an expression of my understanding and compassion: I do feel your pain!
Seriously... I do know what you're feeling. Everything you say about continuity and what they're doing... That comparison about losing a friend... It's so in tune to what I've been feeling...
I'm joking and smiling, but I agree with you and share this frustration.
And that is why I'm telling you: it's hard to let go of things we love. It's hard to accept things we cannot change. But, please, give yourself the chance to let things renew themselves.
I'm not telling you to give up on Jean or the good old Marvel stories. I'm asking you to open yourself up to new possibilities of how you can enjoy them despite whatever decision Marvel has made.
I don't suppose that what works for me will work for you, but I'm certain that you don't need to feel the way you're feeling now. Although I understand it's natural you feel this way (God, I know it is...), this feeling doesn't need to linger, you know?
So many things in life we have no control over... But over this you have: don't let guys like Brevoort affect you so much. Use this emotional energy to bring light and beauty to the world through your art: I bet it'll do the same to your life. @Crescent: you're right. This is our haven. This is where we help each other. We're kind of a support group, really.
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